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Roba: “My grandfather had a brother, and his brother got married, and he had a daughter. This daughter got married too and had a son, and Karl is her son.”

Karl: “Yeah, so I’m like her grandfather’s brother’s daughter’s son.”

Omar: “He is mom’s cousin’s son.”

(Listener looking really confused)


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  1. Rebecca

    Second-cousin. (It’s easier in English, but so much less informative.)

  2. Jad

    Probably this is why Jordanian invented the word “Garabah”, it’s even easier than “Second-Cousin” :p

  3. Ibin bint 3amm ommek. But the question is, how did she marry a Jew? Isn’t that 7aram? :P (I understand if this gets deleted, sorry but I’m curious! :(

  4. onzlo

    KBB: Since when is marrying a Jew haram??? Anyway love knows no religion etc…… so does it really matter?

  5. Killer Bee Bop, aside from the fact that he is not a Jew, it is actually not 7aram to marry a Jew, because they are people of the book or something.

  6. Onzlo, “love knows no religion”? Awww :P

  7. Ahmad

    Guys…I am really surprised. When you were in school did you study ISLAM RELIGION?!!!!! If you have holy book QUARN in your library you will find
    Muslim women can not get married man from other religion
    A Muslim man can get married women from Christian and Judaism
    But. If she believes that love is more important than religion .it is up to her, she caN make her choice BUT,,,,,,

    For your information, In Israel (old Palestine), There is no civil marriage and Jewish is not allowed to marry from none- Jewish

  8. Ahmad

    I find ths article about marrying non muslim…

    I don’t mean to bother you but this is disturbing my mind and I need an educated explanation.

    I was at a Muslim Sister’s Fashion Show (predominately African American sisters) when during casual conversation a young sister (mid 20s) stated that her husband is Christian. This as you can image created quite a stir. She was immediately verbally attacked. She tried to defend herself by saying that he did not prohibit her from practicing Islam and he has agreed that the children will be Muslim. She was advised to divorce him.

    I don’t know if they were married and she converted or if she was already Muslim when they married. She was under such a heavy attack that I could not get that question in. However this issue is one that I need to understand because I can’t adequately explain why there is a prohibition for the Muslim female in marrying from the people of the book and there is no prohibition for the Muslim male. More often than not I hear all non Muslims classified as kufar.

    The only explanation I can provide is that the Quran specifies that the male can marry a Christian or Jewish woman. Since he is the head of the household the expectation is that he will respect her rights and the children will take his religion. Really in actuality from what I’ve seen this is not the case. The woman has so much pressure put on her to abandon her beliefs that she eventually gives in or gets out of the marriage.

    I have been asked does the Quran specifically prohibit the Muslim woman from marrying a Christian or Jewish male. My understanding is the only specific prohibition is for polytheist. Am I wrong?

    This is a big issue for African Americans especially because of the rate of conversion. There are instances where the husband converts and the wife does not. This is not seen as a problem. However there are instances where the wife converts and the husband does not. It doesn’t matter whether they have been together 2 years or 20 years, the advice the sister receives is to divorce him.

    Then there are the cases of sisters whose preference is to marry within their race but there are not enough suitable African American Muslim men at least in this city. They resign themselves to being celibate forever.

    When I say suitable African American Muslim men, I mean those who are knowledgeable about the Deen and truly strive to practice it, those who have truly accepted the role and responsibilities of the Muslim male and do not demand that the woman provide more financially for them than they provide for her, those who are not extremist, those who have not been married and divorced 3, 4 or 5 times with children all over the place, those who are not trying to have several wives when they can’t afford to take care of one, etc. This is airing dirty laundry but so be it, this is our harsh reality.

    [Name withheld for privacy]


    Al-salamu ‘alaykum sister:

    First I should apologize for the long time it has taken me to respond to your message. As you might have heard, I have been rather ill. But on a happier note, recently we were blessed with a wonderful baby boy.

    But I should confess that there is another reason for the delay. This is a difficult issue to deal with. I did receive a large number of inquiries about this same issue, and I have tended to avoid responding to them because I am not exactly very excited about handling this weighty and serious problem.

    Surprising to me, all schools of thought prohibited a Muslim woman from marrying a man who is a kitabi (among the people of the book). I am not aware of a single dissenting opinion on this, which is rather unusual for Islamic jurisprudence because Muslim jurists often disagreed on many issues, but this is not one of them.

    All jurists agreed that a Muslim man or woman may not marry a mushrik [one who associates partners with God–there is a complex and multi-layered discourse on who is to be considered a mushrik, but we will leave this for a separate discussion]. However, because of al-Ma’ida verse 5, there is an exception in the case of a Muslim man marrying a kitabiyya. There is no express prohibition in the Qur’an or elsewhere about a Muslim woman marrying a kitabi. However, the jurists argued that since express permission was given to men, by implication women must be prohibited from doing the same. The argument goes: If men needed to be given express permission to marry a kitabiyya, women needed to be given express permission as well, but since they were not given any such permission then they must be barred from marrying a kitabi.

    The justification for this rule was two-fold: 1) Technically, children are given the religion of their father, and so legally speaking, the offspring of a union between a Muslim male and a kitabiyya would still be Muslim; 2)It was argued that Muslim men are Islamically prohibited from forcing their wives to become Muslim. Religious coercion is prohibited in Islam. However, in Christianity and Judaism a similar prohibition against coercion does not exist. According to their own religious law, Muslim jurists argued, Christian men may force their Muslim wives to convert to their (the husbands’) religion. Put differently, it was argued, Islam recognizes Christianity and Judaism as valid religions, but Judaism and Christianity do not recognize the validity of Islam as a religion. Since it was assumed that the man is the stronger party in a marriage, it was argued that Christian and Jewish men will be able to compel their Muslim wives to abandon Islam. (If a Muslim man would do the same, he would be violating Islamic law and committing a grave sin).

    Importantly, the Hanafi, Maliki, and Shafi’i jurists held that it is reprehensible (makruh) for Muslim men to marry a kitabiyya if they live in non-Muslim countries. They argued that in non-Muslim countries, mothers will be able to influence the children the most. Therefore, there is a high likelihood that the children will not grow up to be good Muslims unless both parents are Muslim. Some jurists even went as far as saying that Muslim men are prohibited from marrying a kitabiyya if they live in non-Muslim countries.

    This is the law as it exists or the legal legacy as we inherited it. In all honesty, personally, I am not convinced that the evidence prohibiting Muslim women from marrying a kitabi is very strong. Muslim jurists took a very strong position on this matter–many of them going as far as saying if a Muslim woman marries a kitabi she is as good as an apostate. I think, and God knows best, that this position is not reasonable and the evidence supporting it is not very strong. However, I must confess that in my humble opinion, I strongly sympathize with the jurists that argued that in non-Muslim countries it is reprehensible (makruh) for a Muslim to marry a non-Muslim. God knows best–I have reached this position after observing that the children of these Muslim/non-Muslim marriages in most cases do not grow up with a strong sense of their Islamic identity. It seems to me that in countries like the U.S. it is best for the children if they grow up with a Muslim father and mother. I am not comfortable telling a Muslim woman marrying a kitabi that she is committing a grave sin and that she must terminate her marriage immediately. I do tell such a woman that she should know that by being married to a kitabi that she is acting against the weight of the consensus; I tell her what the evidence is; and then I tell her my own ijtihad on the matter (that it is makruh for both men and women in non-Muslim countries). After telling her all of this, I add that she must always remember that only God knows best; that she should reflect on the matter as hard as she can; then she should pray and plead for guidance from God; and then ultimately she must do what her conscience dictates.

    I hope this response helps answer your question. I pray to God to guide us both to what He pleases and wants, and that He helps the sister you wrote me about to find peace and tranquility with whatever decision she makes. God is the best guide and mentor–may He forgive our sins and bless us with His Compassion and Mercy.

    With my sincere regards,

    Shaykh Khaled Abou El Fadl

  9. WOW guys I’m not even religious, hehe. Ok my bad thought all manns are Jews. :(

  10. Kuwaiti dude in Jordan

    been working in jordan for the past year or so..i got invited to student kuwaiti dinner thing adn met a couple of guys..suddenly i get this guy bragging about how im related to him from the 13th grandfather or something…confusing!!

    as for the marriage sub…a muslim woman cant marry a non-muslim…as for muslim men they can only marry ppl of the book……period!!

  11. maliha

    it’s exactly how my friend was trying to explain to me once her cousin is married to her father cousin son who’s mom is his aunt and she is the aunt of i don’t know which family member and another cousin is married to her cousin’s husbands cousin who is sumthng sumthng .. ya Allah its too confusing .. but very entertaining to hear

  12. No Roba, a Muslim woman can ONLY marry a Muslim man. A Muslim man can marry a Muslim (Duh), a Christian, or a Jew woman.

    And Onzlo, since when does love come before religion? Putting religion aside, it is actually easier to get married to someone of the same religion/culture/background … etc!

  13. Hani Obaid

    I hope we one day dismiss religion all together, it only serves to divide us further as if we don’t have enough to argue about.

    Not to say you should lack all morals, but I’ve known some seemingly religous people do some pretty nasty things when no one is looking. So pretending to be religous does not give you morals, and lacking religon does not mean you lack morality.

    I remember on my job interview one of the questions I was asked was what was my religion. In the US, it would have been illegal to ask this. I think it should be illegal here too unless you’re interviewing for a new imam for a mosque !

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