what the title got to do with the post ;)

مش في نكتة: مرى واحد طنط أبو أهدا كتب دينية دخل عليه في الغرفة لقا تحجب؟

شكلو أبو أعطا مجلة : حجاب فاشن

Yeah Melody TV is funny, anything goes for them as far as they show them the money (and in most cases show them ………, you know what I mean)

It’s good to see Ikhwan and porn producers putting hands together.

PS: Nice anti spam word: KHAWA! lol

Are you? ;)

This is totally absurd … honestly i think the word absurd was created for a day like this day …

A few years ago, I created a video for a conference that juxtaposed clips from arabic music channels with footage from ‘islamic’ channels. Now, a few years later the two trends coexist on the same channel. It is remarkable how mazzika channel can bring two contradictory videos together. But in fact, successful mass phenomena are often capable of bringing contradictions together.

On the net, especially on Saudi sites you can often find a link for ‘islamic’ content side by side with a link or promo for ‘over 18 pictures’.

One disturbing aspect of the hijab video is that it promotes hijab for very young girls. She gets a chocolate from Mr Teacher!

Hijab as a choice for adults is.. well.. their choice.. But for young girls like that I personally find it cruel.

Welcome to confused Arabia. Embrace the confusion if you want to survive. :)

Ahmad,

I think you got me wrong.

I’ve used the word “IKHWAN” on a purpose,because these guys are using religion for political gains and would work with the devil to achieve their goal, hence having this Nasheed on a tv channel that air semi-porn v.clips
Real religious peple wouldn’t accept airing this piece on Melody, got it now?
There is no place in this world I was refering to both as the same, it’s either you’ve read it really fast, or your IQ level is below average.

Again I’m referring to Ikhwan, this is not about Hijab or religious people, I personally love relgious people (as far as they preach tolerance and having good manners). So please don’t get me wrong and leave my mother out of this.

I’m just so bored of this.

اتحقبتي يا روبا برافو عليكي

ايوه كده

I hate egyptian songs…

since it came from egypt, I have no comment, but funny how people block and refuse logic in the name of religion or secularism……!!!

hijab or not, drink or not, premarital sex, these issues are all controlled by choice, I don’t need tafili or who ever to tell me how to think or act or react……!!!

and how I see it now, is people cover the failures in their lives, and how they are weak by God’s will……?!?!

people reach for religion and fend with ferocity when they can’t control their life…….!!!
I’m out of subject so I’m refraining from ranting even more on the retards in the arab world……!!!

walik where do you get your ideas from? gotta give it to you Roba, this post was funny and disturbing at the same time…lol.

Now the only comment I have about the first video is about that little girl, how old is she? I agree with 3abed.

Now the second video, that was the most torturous 4:46 minutes I have experienced in a while! Inno OMG .. if I mute the video then I would have thought she was one of those late night adds they put for 900 sex phone lines.

I pity the nation.

I love these anti-spam codewords.

I also love how ahmad claims that, if you’re not a Muslim, you don’t have the right to make a comparison. Beautiful.

So, ahmad, allow me to first declare that I’m not a Muslim, or even an Arab. Worse yet, I’m an American! وفوق ذلك, أستطيع القول إنني “كافر”, حسب فهمي المصطلح Booooooo! Looks like I’m losing on all fronts.

Second, I appreciate the hilarious juxtaposition Roba has brought to our attention. I about fell out of my chair laughing. اي خدمة يا باشا؟ You’ve gotta be fucking kidding me.

And the inadvertent sexualization inherent to putting little girls in hijab is something that strikes me as…well, ironic. In a creepy way.

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Now, that wasn’t that bad, was it?

There is no problem with promoting hijab through music videos, as far as I can see (although it’s a pretty sorry state of affairs when a pop star is listened to over qur’an and sunnah), but this video is pathetic.

If you all-of-a-sudden decide to wear hijab, your “boyfriend” will not suddenly propose to you. If he was committing zina in the first place, he’d dump your ass on the spot. The discovery of the joys of hijab – especially as a lax adult – is a long and personal one, between yourself and Allah. Not yourself and your hot date. Your life will not become sunny and problem-free overnight, nor will you get married the very same day and spawn tons of beautiful kids. You will merely improve your deen one notch.

As for the little girl…sheesh.

And as for the second video…I’m surprised that anybody finds it shocking, to be honest. Although as a Brit with “Western” eyes, I guess I’m accustommed to such things. It’s very, very mild.

HeiGou “ I do not think they are the same. I have never heard of a porn star blowing themselves up in a marketplace. I have never heard of a porn film producing anything other than, well, rather lonely pleasure. I certainly do not see fans of porn films kidnapping women and raping them. Perhaps I just have not watched enough of them”
I think what you mentioned about my comment, it was crap. I have not got time to waste n someone who made up his mind to be Islam hater. I like to add here, you blamed Islam and religious people for bombing and porn are harmless But
Did Muslims cause the second world ware and the first ware world?!!!!

Did Muslim bomb Hiroshima and kill more than a 100000 innocent?!!

DO not blame peaceful religion because there are few criminal did bad things by Islam name.
IF you follwo western media , there are few accident took place in churche where some praists had sex with kids . It is unacceptable to refer to religious pople in church as paedophile becasue of taht .

HeiGou “ However I think you are missing the point. Surely the interesting contrast is the adaptation of the same medium – the pop film clip – for two very different ends. Nowhere in the world are the extremes so extreme as in the Middle East – on the one hand you can watch a clip calling for everything short of female circumcision and on the other, perhaps the next clip, you can watch what is almost a strip show. Even in Europe that would not happen because the culture is not so split and violently divided. You don’t think the contrast is interesting? I do. “
Again, I made my previous comment when Firas was mocking Islam. Although he is a Muslim but he is feeling a shame to call him self a Muslim. I have no problems whet you said .The two clips reflected the conflict between moral and immoral .In Middle East there is like a hidden ware between who call to adopt West style in their life and blame islam for be failure nation and call to adopt life goes back 1400 years ago. Both of them are wrong because we are proud of our religion either Islam or Christian and also are part of new world.
Have you get my point ?In Europ ,it is different culture and not similar to culture in china or middle east .

HeiGou “Humans do use their brains – whether they follow the rules of their religion or not. Animals do not to any great extent. That is the difference. Animals have no choice if they “sin” or not as they do not understand the alternative. Humans who follow religious rules also have no choice as they do not have an alternative either. Most humans can make choices on their own. These are the truly human.”
You have no right to say people who have religion are similar to l to animals. That is absolutely untrue. In slam we have right to choose whet our heart lead us to it .If the great scholar in Islam say something, it is not compulsory to follow it. That is reason why Islam is only faith still live compare to other religions .

HeiGou “As for the film clips, I found the little girl creepy. Who was teaching her to pray? It is appalling a teacher would reward her with chocolate for wearing a head scarf. Are Arab men so insecure they want to lock their women up before they will marry them? What does it really matter if your girlfriend wears the scarf or not? A girl can cheat with it on if she does not love you and remain faithful with it off if she does. What counts is what is in her heart – and six year olds do not know enough to make real choices. You may as well teach a parrot to pray”

Do you believe every thing show in clip? It is a a background to songs which does not mean to reflect reality .women are asked to wear scarf when she reach age between 12 to 14 years old. I find unacceptable to wear agirl in age 6 headscarf but that is life and everyone have got different respective in this world .However who told you that women wear headscarf because it is protection for her It is an order from God like men is asked to pray in mosque .You gave your opinion about islam and you have no idea about Islam .There is no gf or bf in Islam is forbidden . .
I need to ask you question. Is t fair to judge American style although I have been there before? I will be stupid if I do that and I take my information from net or newspaper .

Dont judge islam through media or net.You have to live with peopel in order to know them .

Finally

At least I ahve heritage goes back to 1400 years ago . we are mulsim who make the greatest civilisation in europ in spain .

I am Muslim .

Tell me who you are …………………………………………..

Robe, I have to admit that, you are right about me .I did not understand the message behind the topic .I was thinking your comments were meant to attack Islam.I would like to apologies to you and Firas, I should not have been overreacted like that.

there is alot of Contradiction in our society andour youths are confused about their iidentity.

HeiGou “In the end, do you think this is a sensible response? Do you think that perhaps the way to go is not to seek confrontation aggressively, but to work with others, perhaps even non-Muslims, to seek common peaceful productive outcomes.”

What you have mention apart of a paragraph in above were bullshit. But i agree with you about seeking the common things between us .That will help to avoid wars and violence in our countries.

ahmad:”What you have mention apart of a paragraph in above were bullshit. But i agree with you about seeking the common things between us .That will help to avoid wars and violence in our countries.”

OK. But then you go on to say:

طفيلي( ahmad):”you said something like (Yuck.) I am not suprised to find thiw word because you have no probelm with porn and abusing women .”

I have not spoken a word in defence of porn and certainly not abusing women. After all my religious texts don’t say anything about beating women so why would I have to? Your real intentions are clear from such abuse. Or perhaps you are just confused. You cannot avoid wars and violence while insulting others like that. If you want peace, you need to respect other people’s differences. It is not a big thing really. I don’t care if you wear a head scarf, but it seems that the contrary is not true. As Dr Sultan once said, you can believe in rocks as long as you don’t throw them at me. It seems you are not ready for that yet. Pity.

And to think of a 12 to 14 year old girl as an object of sexual desire is yucky.

Domestic Violence is a Serious, Widespread Social Problem in America: The Facts

Prevalence of Domestic Violence

Estimates range from 960,000 incidents of violence against a current or former spouse, boyfriend, or girlfriend per year1 to three million women who are physically abused by their husband or boyfriend per year.2
Around the world, at least one in every three women has been beaten, coerced into sex or otherwise abused during her lifetime.3
Nearly one-third of American women (31 percent) report being physically or sexually abused by a husband or boyfriend at some point in their lives, according to a 1998 Commonwealth Fund survey.4
Nearly 25 percent of American women report being raped and/or physically assaulted by a current or former spouse, cohabiting partner, or date at some time in their lifetime, according to the National Violence Against Women Survey, conducted from November 1995 to May 1996.5
Thirty percent of Americans say they know a woman who has been physically abused by her husband or boyfriend in the past year.6
In the year 2001, more than half a million American women (588,490 women) were victims of nonfatal violence committed by an intimate partner.7
Intimate partner violence is primarily a crime against women. In 2001, women accounted for 85 percent of the victims of intimate partner violence (588,490 total) and men accounted for approximately 15 percent of the victims (103,220 total).8
While women are less likely than men to be victims of violent crimes overall, women are five to eight times more likely than men to be victimized by an intimate partner.9
In 2001, intimate partner violence made up 20 percent of violent crime against women. The same year, intimate partners committed three percent of all violent crime against men.10
As many as 324,000 women each year experience intimate partner violence during their pregnancy.11
Women of all races are about equally vulnerable to violence by an intimate.12
Male violence against women does much more damage than female violence against men; women are much more likely to be injured than men.13
The most rapid growth in domestic relations caseloads is occurring in domestic violence filings. Between 1993 and 1995, 18 of 32 states with three year filing figures reported an increase of 20 percent or more.14
Women are seven to 14 times more likely than men to report suffering severe physical assaults from an intimate partner.15
Domestic Homicides

On average, more than three women are murdered by their husbands or boyfriends in this country every day. In 2000, 1,247 women were killed by an intimate partner. The same year, 440 men were killed by an intimate partner.16
Women are much more likely than men to be killed by an intimate partner. In 2000, intimate partner homicides accounted for 33.5 percent of the murders of women and less than four percent of the murders of men.17
Pregnant and recently pregnant women are more likely to be victims of homicide than to die of any other cause18 , and evidence exists that a significant proportion of all female homicide victims are killed by their intimate partners.19
Research suggests that injury related deaths, including homicide and suicide, account for approximately one-third of all maternal mortality cases, while medical reasons make up the rest. But, homicide is the leading cause of death overall for pregnant women, followed by cancer, acute and chronic respiratory conditions, motor vehicle collisions and drug overdose, peripartum and postpartum cardiomyopthy, and suicide.20
Health Issues

The health-related costs of rape, physical assault, stalking and homicide committed by intimate partners exceed $5.8 billion each year. Of that amount, nearly $4.1 billion are for direct medical and mental health care services, and nearly $1.8 billion are for the indirect costs of lost productivity or wages.21
About half of all female victims of intimate violence report an injury of some type, and about 20 percent of them seek medical assistance.22
Thirty-seven percent of women who sought treatment in emergency rooms for violence-related injuries in 1994 were injured by a current or former spouse, boyfriend or girlfriend.23
Domestic Violence and Youth

Approximately one in five female high school students reports being physically and/or sexually abused by a dating partner.24
Eight percent of high school age girls said “yes” when asked if “a boyfriend or date has ever forced sex against your will.”25
Forty percent of girls age 14 to 17 report knowing someone their age who has been hit or beaten by a boyfriend.26
During the 1996-1997 school year, there were an estimated 4,000 incidents of rape or other types of sexual assault in public schools across the country.27
Domestic Violence and Children

In a national survey of more than 6,000 American families, 50 percent of the men who frequently assaulted their wives also frequently abused their children.28
Slightly more than half of female victims of intimate violence live in households with children under age 12.29
Studies suggest that between 3.3 – 10 million children witness some form of domestic violence annually.30
Rape

Three in four women (76 percent) who reported they had been raped and/or physically assaulted since age 18 said that a current or former husband, cohabiting partner, or date committed the assault.31
One in five (21 percent) women reported she had been raped or physically or sexually assaulted in her lifetime.32
Nearly one-fifth of women (18 percent) reported experiencing a completed or attempted rape at some time in their lives; one in 33 men (three percent) reported experiencing a completed or attempted rape at some time in their lives.33
In 2000, 48 percent of the rapes/sexual assaults committed against people age 12 and over were reported to the police.34
In 2001, 41,740 women were victims of rape/sexual assault committed by an intimate partner.35
Rapes/sexual assaults committed by strangers are more likely to be reported to the police than rapes/sexual assaults committed by “nonstrangers,” including intimate partners, other relatives and friends or acquaintances. Between 1992 and 2000, 41 percent of the rapes/sexual assaults committed by strangers were reported to the police. During the same time period, 24 percent of the rapes/sexual assaults committed by an intimate were reported.36
Stalking

Annually in the United States, 503,485 women are stalked by an intimate partner.37
Seventy-eight percent of stalking victims are women. Women are significantly more likely than men (60 percent and 30 percent, respectively) to be stalked by intimate partners.38
Eighty percent of women who are stalked by former husbands are physically assaulted by that partner and 30 percent are sexually assaulted by that partner.39

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1U.S. Department of Justice, Violence by Intimates: Analysis of Data on Crimes by Current or Former Spouses, Boyfriends, and Girlfriends, March 1998
2The Commonwealth Fund, Health Concerns Across a Woman’s Lifespan: 1998 Survey of Women’s Health, May 1999
3Heise, L., Ellsberg, M. and Gottemoeller, M. Ending Violence Against Women. Population Reports, Series L, No. 11., December 1999
4The Commonwealth Fund, Health Concerns Across a Woman’s Lifespan: 1998 Survey of Women’s Health, May 1999
5The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and The National Institute of Justice, Extent, Nature, and Consequences of Intimate Partner Violence, July 2000.
6Lieberman Research Inc., Tracking Survey conducted for The Advertising Council and the Family Violence Prevention Fund, July – October 1996
7Bureau of Justice Statistics Crime Data Brief, Intimate Partner Violence, 1993-2001, February 2003
8Bureau of Justice Statistics Crime Data Brief, Intimate Partner Violence, 1993-2001, February 2003
9U.S. Department of Justice, Violence by Intimates: Analysis of Data on Crimes by Current or Former Spouses, Boyfriends, and Girlfriends, March 1998
10Bureau of Justice Statistics Crime Data Brief, Intimate Partner Violence, 1993-2001, February 2003
11Gazmararian JA, Petersen R, Spitz AM, Goodwin MM, Saltzman LE, Marks JS. “Violence and reproductive health; current knowledge and future research directions.” Maternal and Child Health Journal 2000;4(2):79-84.
12Bureau of Justice Statistics, Violence Against Women: Estimates from the Redesigned Survey, August 1995
13Murray A. Straus and Richard J. Gelles, Physical Violence in American Families, 1990
14Examining the Work of State Courts, 1995: A National Perspective from the Court Statistics Project. National Center for the State Courts, 1996
15National Institute of Justice and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Prevalence, Incidence, and Consequences of Violence Against Women: Findings from the National Violence Against Women Survey, November 1998
16Bureau of Justice Statistics Crime Data Brief, Intimate Partner Violence, 1993-2001, February 2003
17Bureau of Justice Statistics Crime Data Brief, Intimate Partner Violence, 1993-2001, February 2003
18Horon, I., & Cheng, D., (2001). Enhanced Surveillance for Pregnancy-Associated Mortality – Maryland, 1993 – 1998. The Journal of the American Medical Association, 285, No. 11, March 21, 2001.
19Frye, V. (2001). Examining Homicide’s Contribution to Pregnancy-Associated Deaths. The Journal of the American Medical Association, 285, No. 11, March 21, 2001
20Nannini, A., Weiss, J., Goldstein, R., & Fogerty, S., (2002). Pregnancy-Associated Mortality at the End of the Twentieth Century: Massachusetts, 1990 – 1999. Journal of the American Medical Women’s Association, Vol. 57, No. 23, Summer 2002.
21Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Costs of Intimate Partner Violence Against Women in the United States, April 2003.
22National Crime Victimization Survey, 1992-96; Study of Injured Victims of Violence, 1994
23U.S. Department of Justice, Violence Related Injuries Treated in Hospital Emergency Departments, August 1997
24Jay G. Silverman, PhD; Anita Raj, PhD; Lorelei A. Mucci, MPH; and Jeanne E. Hathaway, MD, MPH, “Dating Violence Against Adolescent Girls and Associated Substance Use, Unhealthy Weight Control, Sexual Risk Behavior, Pregnancy, and Suicidality,” Journal of the American Medical Association, Vol. 286, No. 5, 2001
25The Commonwealth Fund Survey of the Health of Adolescent Girls, November 1997
26Children Now/Kaiser Permanente poll, December 1995
27U.S. Department of Education, Violence and Discipline Problems in U.S. Public Schools: 1996-1997
28Strauss, Murray A, Gelles, Richard J., and Smith, Christine. 1990. Physical Violence in American Families; Risk Factors and Adaptations to Violence in 8,145 Families. New Brunswick: Transaction Publishers
29U.S. Department of Justice, Violence by Intimates: Analysis of Data on Crimes by Current or Former Spouses, Boyfriends, and Girlfriends, March 1998
30Carlson, Bonnie E. (1984). Children’s observations of interpersonal violence. Pp. 147-167 in A.R. Roberts (Ed.) Battered women and their families (pp. 147-167). NY: Springer. Straus, M.A. (1992). Children as witnesses to marital violence: A risk factor for lifelong problems among a nationally representative sample of American men and women. Report of the Twenty-Third Ross Roundtable. Columbus, OH: Ross Laboratories.
31U.S. Department of Justice, Prevalence, Incidence, and Consequences of Violence Against Women: Findings from the National Violence Against Women Survey, November 1998
32The Commonwealth Fund, Health Concerns Across a Woman’s Lifespan: 1998 Survey of Women’s Health, May 1999
33National Institute of Justice and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention,, Prevalence, Incidence, and Consequences of Violence Against Women: Findings from the National Violence Against Women Survey, November 1998
34Bureau of Justice Statistics Special Report, Reporting Crime to the Police, 1992-2000, March 2003
35Bureau of Justice Statistics Crime Data Brief, Intimate Partner Violence, 1993-2001, February 2003
36Bureau of Justice Statistics Special Report, Reporting Crime to the Police, 1992-2000, March 2003
37Patricia Tjaden and Nancy Thoennes, Extent, Nature, and Consequences of Intimate Partner Violence, National Institute of Justice, 2000
38Center for Policy Research, Stalking in America, July 1997
39Center for Policy Research, Stalking in America, July 1997

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I think i mentioned as follow ‘I am against pressuring women in n our society and I admit WE HAVE PROBELM in this matter .In next ten years you will find women in our society get more right as men hopefully ‘

I posted that report about domestic violence because he referred about beating women in our society .I want to emphasis that women get abused even in west and i put a report about domestic violence in USA as an example for that .

But at least we have got tradition and religious obligations to prevent this kind of abusing.We are proud of that and I wish other nation can learn from us .

If I go back to survey that does not mean we have get disaster in Arab world as comparing to other countries. The result of survey indicate there is lack of education and we need to increase awareness among women in Jordan .Then I am sure you will not have result like that .

I think i mentioned as follow ‘I am against pressuring women in n our society and I admit WE HAVE PROBELM in this matter .In the next ten years you will find women in our society get more right as men hopefully ‘

I posted that report about domestic violence in USA because he referred about beating women in our society .I want to emphasis here ,women get abused even in western countries .But at least we have got traditions and religious obligations to prevent it .We are proud of that and I wish other nation can learn from us.

If I go back to survey, the results do not mean we have get disaster in Arab world comparing to other countries. They indicate there is lack of education and we need to increase awareness among women in Jordan .Then I am sure you will not have result like that.