On Al-Aqsa and the Hypocrisy of the World

Al-Aqsa Mosque Dome

As a nonspiritual person, I do not speak from a religious perspective, for I personally am not caught up over religious significance, and will leave that to the hoards of Muslims demonstrating on religious accounts.

What is really annoying me is that the world is silent as a building with high historical and artistic importance is being endangered. I speak from the same perspective as when the international community unanimously expressed outrage as the Taliban demolished the Bamyan Buddhas, which were built during the 6th century and represented Greco-Buddhist art, in March 2001.

The Al-Aqsa Mosque was built by Abd-Al-Malik Bin Marwan (685-705 AD) and was completed by his son Al-Walid in 709 AD of the Ummayyad dynasty (661-750 AD), which was the first Islamic dynasty. It is the second oldest mosque in Islam, the second-largest religion in the world today with an estimated 1.4 billion adherents. The rectangular Al-Aqsa Mosque is 144,000 square meters, 35 acres, or 1/6 of the entire area within the walls of the Old City of Jerusalem as it stands today, making it also one of the largest mosques in Islam.

Al-Aqsa Mosque has four minarets: 3 square and 1 cylindrical from the Mamluk period. There are no minarets on the Eastern side of it because there were no inhabitants outside the city walls until later on, and thus no-one to call to prayer. The covered area of the mosque is a simple but large rectangular structure with 7 large gates, as well as 1 single door on both the eastern and western sides. There are over 100 clear and colored glass windows, 14 Arches, 27 Italian Marble columns on the eastern side, and the equivalent number of stone piers on the western side. The mihrab was decorated in 1187 under Saladin, and the mosaics above the central aisle arch and around the drum of the dome date from 1035. The inner dome, decorated with stucco work, dates back to the 13th century.

When the Crusaders captured Jerusalem in 1099, Al-Aqsa became the headquarters of the Templars. Their legacy remains in the three central bays of the main facade. In the mid-14th century the Mamelukes added an extra two on either side, resulting in the seven bays that stand today.

The interior of the Al-Aqsa Mosque contains many 20th-century additions, most notably marble columns donated by Benito Mussolini and a painted ceiling funded by King Farouk of Egypt. In 1969, a fire burnt a part of the covered area for the first time in its history. Repairing the damage from the fire still continues. Among the numerous sad losses was the beautiful handmade pulpit from Aleppo, which was a gift from Salahuddin Al-Ayyoubi and stood near the Mihrab in Al-Aqsa Mosque. This Pulpit, considered one of the most beautiful in the World, was made of over 10,000 interlocking pieces of Cedar and other wood, Ivory and mother of pearl affixed without a drop of glue or a single nail. A remaining section of this Pulpit is among the various artifacts on display at the Islamic Museum, in the southern corner of the Noble Sanctuary.

The Al-Aqsa Mosque is not only an exceptional testimony to the Islamo-Arab cultural traditions and civilization, it is also directly associated with many events, ideas, beliefs, and the artistic work of important significance not only to Arabs and Muslims. So is the world just going to stand there silently as a site of cultural importance to the heritage of mankind is subjected to danger?

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  • http://confessionsofavegetarianshark.blogspot.com/ Averroes

    You can never remove the religious element of this story, yes it’s one of the greatest, most beautiful architectural marvels, with the artistic genius crossng political and religious devides..but all that is based on religious belief. Al-Aqsa is what it is because of religious beliefs, the conflict over al-aqsa..the attemps to cause it to collapse is because of its architectual and artistic superiority to everything surrounding it.
    this superiority in beauty and size is psycologically offencive to those who believe..that they are suprior, nothing should be more superior than they are..or what they build..or what they believe should stand in its place.

    Bamyan Buddhas were part of the human cultural legacy, but the uproar generated when they were destroyed was a prelude to what came afterwards.

    to make a long comment short…when the question of art vs faith comes to the borders of the land west of the Jordan..it becomes faith vs faith, west vs east, bamayn destroyers vs the victims of the holocaust.

    and that..my friend..is where the buck starts..rather than stops

  • http://andfaraway.net Roba

    Well, I will leave you to discuss the religious element, because like I said, that does not concern me. I would rather look at it as an unbiased observer; a monument of human history, a symbol of the artistic achievement of a civilization, and a figure that represents the various interactions between different beliefs and civilizations that happened in this part of the world.

  • http://www.black-iris.com Nas

    it would be difficult to discuss the aqsa from an artistic point of view, as strictly a “monument of human history”. it’s one rung down from those who see the conflict as being simply over land. in other words i respect your point of view but nonetheless, you are not an unbiased observer roba. whether you like it or not, acknowledge it or not, want it or not, your roots are as tangled up in that city, with that mosque, as every arab and every muslim in the region.

    it is the aqsa…it’s a mosque…it’s religious…it’s supposed to be religious…it’s one of the holiest sites. the blood that has been shed in that city, be it muslim, christian or jewish, has been over religion not the preservation of art.

    suffice to say that this hill in Jerusalem could consist of a pile of stones with no artistic value whatsoever, and it would still hold the utmost symbolic importance to all three religions.

    as for the silence and/or hypocrisy of the world.

    suffice to say that if the aqsa mosque WERE reduced to rubble, no one would care but muslims.

    we remain culturally, economically, religiously, politically, militarily and socially the inferior peoples. this maybe an orientalist way of looking at it but if all those elements were reversed…

  • http://andfaraway.net Roba

    Nas, I am not looking at it from an artistic point of view, I am looking at it from a cultural point of view. I agree that my roots are entangled with that hill, but not because of religion as a spiritual entity- but rather, as an identity, a civilization, a history of so many before me and so many after me.

  • http://confessionsofavegetarianshark.blogspot.com/ averroes

    Civilization isn’t an orphan..her parents are religion and ethnicity..some civilizations have both parents..some have a single parent…but no civilization is an orphan.

    Having said that, I agree with Nas, when speaking about al aqsa..you’re speaking about religion by default, you’re also talking about civilization, tolerence, culture..and opposing culture, opposing values..and opposing beliefs.

    This is a Uni Polar world, the new age of Paxa Romana, a Paxa Judana, the rest of the world is numb with fed feelings of guilt over the past of the jews..which is again an entanglement between identity and religion..jews being an ethnic group is an anthropological mistake.

    They’re left to do whatever they want because the civilization and culture of the west, which is based on religious values btw..agrees with the idea of the promised land..whats on it is the right of the chosen people, the children of isreal..which is the epitome of cultural and ethnic racism..forget the religion part.

  • http://www.black-iris.com Nas

    “but rather, as an identity, a civilization, a history..”

    yes roba i understand where you’re coming from, but all those things you listed are almost by default entangled if not dependent on the existence of religion and spirituality, specifically, specifically, in this case, with this mosque.

    you have to ask yourself if it wasn’t a mosque, if it was something like a pyramid or a landmark of an ancient civilization…would it be as significant? as such a source and measure of conflict?

    in other words separating religion and spirituality from such a place, which is literally defined by all elements inevitably bound to religion and spirituality, is something that tares at the very heart and soul of the significance of something such as this. it just cannot be removed without preserving the major pillars that uphold its historic and present identity.

    again, this is not to say your perspective is invalid as i agree with you concerning its artistic and cultural significance, I’m just saying that those elements emanate from a spiritual source. :-)

  • http://iheartamman.blogspot.com Firas

    Well, so why the world is silent?

    1. Palestinians are (were) busy shooting each others. Arabs busy with Haifa (no pun intended, though the statement is right either ways) and valentine
    2. Israel always win the media war, they are saying we are doing scientific expeditions we don’t intend any harm to the mosque, MSM shows photos of Palestinians throwing shows and stones (I was astonished how BBC didn’t show the Israeli army firing tear gas and rubber bullets in return).
    3. An Israeli official would go on CNN or BBC, speaks right to the point in perfect English, our best shot is they get Bari Atwan who speaks incoherently and loses his temper.
    4. Israali would invite the MSM, and have full coverage on Al-Jazeera saying we are doing nothing of what they are claiming, followed by another 5-6 Israeli officials on Al-Jazeera speaking about the same issue.

    We have to understand that many Israelis claim that the mount temple was built there, they actually quote the Quran saying that the place of the Aqsa was the temple mount, meaning how come the Quran mentions a Masjid or a prayer house in Jerusalem even before Islam was introduced in Palestine? Of course no one replies back, or even if they do, they don’t know how to deliver the message! (No Coherent ideas in perfect English)

    The thing is : El Mal El Sayeb be 3alem el ser’a!

    It’s not only this Roba, there is much more, like Dabkeh, Tableh, Tatreez and more. It’s a cultural,political and a religious issue.

    Anyways, it couldn’t be any better time for the Jews to built the temple without World War 3 starting, I mean what could Arab possibly do? No money,no technology no knowledge, no nothing! Some Arab state bought weapons for 70Billions , good luck reading the manuals guys.

    Many Israeli Jews and brainwashed so called “Christians” in the US believe that Messiah will come (or Jesus is returning for Robertson followers), I mean Israel was not established by the West to protect their oil interest in the region as many people in the Arab world think. No, it’s there to make a place for the Messiah arrival by building the temple of glory! You are dealing with a religious nation that believes God gave them that land and the Messiah will appear some day. Of course one here should mention that other religious Jews opposes Israel existence (or the way it was established) on religious ground. Other Jews around the world, feel they should stand up for persecuted,oppressed and helpless people as once they have been oppressed, of course they would be called self haters or anti-semitic.

    So how to feel better? Valentine is near, yay…did you see Christina Aguilera’s dress at the Grammies? Yay shu kteer cool o sexy…..fabulous!

    Ok I’ll now throw my self away.

  • http://iheartamman.blogspot.com Firas

    Did my comment just got deleted?

    o_0 ?

  • http://andfaraway.net Roba

    Well, I do agree that the religious part is very significant, but like I said, I will not discuss that and leave it to the millions of Muslims protesting ;)

  • HeiGou

    Firas:”Well, so why the world is silent?”

    Actually the main reason the world is silent is that nothing whatsoever is happening to the Mosque. Israel is doing some maintenance work a mile from the Dome. This is massive media hype by, I assume, Palestinians who know that any threat to the Mosque will make Muslims upset and force the normally sane and reasonable to join the anti-Jewish lynch mob. Seems to be working perfectly.

    Firas:”2. Israel always win the media war, they are saying we are doing scientific expeditions we don’t intend any harm to the mosque, MSM shows photos of Palestinians throwing shows and stones (I was astonished how BBC didn’t show the Israeli army firing tear gas and rubber bullets in return).”

    Actually Israel has not been winning the media war for a long time now. The Palestinians have been. The Israelis obviously and clearly do not intend any harm to the mosque. They have been there for 40 years. They could have knocked it down at any time. But they have been good guardians and protected it. We all know if it had been a shrine to any other religion and Muslims had taken the city, it would have been looted and probably destroyed or turned into a mosque (as it was originally of course).

    Firas:”We have to understand that many Israelis claim that the mount temple was built there, they actually quote the Quran saying that the place of the Aqsa was the temple mount, meaning how come the Quran mentions a Masjid or a prayer house in Jerusalem even before Islam was introduced in Palestine? Of course no one replies back, or even if they do, they don’t know how to deliver the message! (No Coherent ideas in perfect English)”

    The Quran does not mention Jerusalem at all. So how could any Jew quote the Quran? Besides, the Jews have their own scripture that makes many explicit mentions of Jerusalem – unlike the Quran and even the aHadith. The Quran does not, in fact, mention many places at all. Mecca and what other places?

    Firas:”Anyways, it couldn’t be any better time for the Jews to built the temple without World War 3 starting, I mean what could Arab possibly do? No money,no technology no knowledge, no nothing! Some Arab state bought weapons for 70Billions , good luck reading the manuals guys.”

    Sure but that applied 40 years ago as well when Israel was even stronger. There are some nut cakes who want to rebuild the Temple, but the key for Jews is the location of the High Altar. The exact location has been lost and so the Temple cannot be built – indeed Jews cannot even go up to the Mount in case they put a foot into the Altar area which is forbidden to non-Priests – until the Messiah comes and tells them where not to build. You could not find two dozen Rabbis who would support rebuilding the Temple now.

    Of course the amazing thing is the Middle East is full of sites of religious importance to Christians – as the original inhabitants of those areas – and few to Muslims. Yet the Christians did not, or have not yet, taken them back when they had a chance. They even sold the Arabs the weapons they need, but cannot use, to defend themselves.

    Firas:”Other Jews around the world, feel they should stand up for persecuted,oppressed and helpless people as once they have been oppressed, of course they would be called self haters or anti-semitic.”

    And most “brainwashed” Christians know hate-filled terrorist supporters when they see them and so will go on supporting Israel as the lesser of two evils.

  • http://sensationalpearl.blogspot.com/ Jumana

    After reading the post and the comments..I really would like to ask u: Are you a Muslim?
    No offence meant Roba…if you think this question is offensive, feel free to delete my comment.

  • HeiGou

    Averroes:”the attemps to cause it to collapse is because of its architectual and artistic superiority to everything surrounding it. this superiority in beauty and size is psycologically offencive to those who believe..that they are suprior, nothing should be more superior than they are..or what they build..or what they believe should stand in its place.”

    Oh come on. You can’t be taken seriously when you make claims like that. For one thing, there is not and never has been an attempt to make the Mosque collapse. If the Israelis wanted it down, it would be down. Second, it is hardly that beautiful. Sure, it is nice, it is interesting, but it is in a region full of beautiful religious buildings and it is not that interesting.

    This is nothing but more paranoia and lies. The Palestinian Authorities are exploiting a perfectly harmless, planned, and routine piece of repair work to whip up hysteria across the Middle East. I am saddened to see it work – even here. Even Roba says:”In 1969, after 2 years of Israeli occupation, a fanatic Jew set fire to the covered area for the first time in its history.” Which proves the basic problem. A reasonable and normally calm person has fallen for the lies and propaganda. A mentally ill Protestant Christian from Australia tried to set the Mosque on fire in 1969. Not a Jew, fanatical or otherwise. And yet how does Roba come to believe it was a Jew?

  • http://andfaraway.net Roba

    HeiGou, “A mentally ill Protestant Christian from Australia tried to set the Mosque on fire in 1969. Not a Jew, fanatical or otherwise. And yet how does Roba come to believe it was a Jew?”
    That is interesting and new to me. Can you please cite that? I’d like to read more about. Thank you.

    Jumana, I am Muslim, by birth and culture. Interpret that in whichever way you will.

  • HeiGou

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Aqsa_Mosque

    Michael Dennis Rohan, a tourist from Australia, was arrested for the arson attack on August 23, 1969. Rohan was a Protestant follower of an evangelical sect known as the Church of God. By his own admission, Rohan hoped to hasten the coming of the Messiah by burning down the al-Aqsa Mosque. Rohan told the court that he acted as “the Lord’s emissary” on divine instructions, in accordance with the Book of Zechariah, and that he had tried to destroy the al-Aqsa Mosque in order to rebuild the Jewish Temple on the Temple Mount. He was hospitalized in a mental institution, found to be insane and was later deported from Israel.

    See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Dennis_Rohan

    Even al-Jazeera does not think Rohan was a Jew:

    http://english.aljazeera.net/news/archive/archive?ArchiveId=5455

    “In 1967, a Jewish group tried to lead prayers within the Sanctuary despite a Rabbinate prohibition.

    Two years later, the entire south wing of the mosque was burned, including a pulpit commissioned by the Muslim leader Salah al-Din al-Ayubi some 700 years earlier.

    Israeli authorities claimed the perpetrator – Australian Dennis Michael Rohan, a tourist belonging to an evangelical group who hid out in an illegal Israeli settlement – had been mentally imbalanced.

    By his own admission, he claimed that he was trying to hasten the return of the Messiah by destroying the mosque and rebuilding the temple in its place.”

    So the obvious question is why. Why, if even al-Jazeera points out that Rohan was a Christian, do you all think he was a Jew? Even a moderate, reasonable, sensible person like Roba? I would hate to suggest that the hatred of the Muslims for the West and the Jews is so deep and so irrational that no peace is possible, but it looks like it to me.

  • http://andfaraway.net Roba

    HeiGou, thank you for clearing that out.

  • http://confessionsofavegetarianshark.blogspot.com/ Averroes

    HeiGou,
    Thank you for enlightning us..for we have been in the dark, well..you know what amazes me? its the amount of Gullibility and simple mindedness some people have,.I have no idea where you’re from..it doesnt matter anyway but defending a lost PR war..this is where I agree with you btw..israel hasn’t won the media war..but since you seem to take the “smart” stance..know this:

    Jerusalem..is part of the occupied territories, whether you like it or not..whether the intentions where to repair a road or build a highway to heaven for the awaitied Massiah to slide down on is not important..its illegal, simply because the international community..the UN resolutions..by which israel was established in the first place state that all the territories occupied in 1967 are occupied..any change in the demographic reality..which has been happening for the past 40 years contrary to your rosey claim of israeli respect of law..is illegal.

    I have no problem with israelis as people..they’re people..they have lives, as we do, but I do have a problem with the way some people like your respected self taking charge to defend something we all know is wrong to begin with…its not the business of israel to be in Jerusalem in the first place…so claiming to fix roads is irrelevent…by the way..israel demolished an 800 year old neighbourhood right after the 1967 war to make way for the square opposite the wailing wall..that caused the displacement of 60 thousand people in one week..so before posing as an expert on middle east affairs..get a phd..send me a copy of yr degree and come to challenge me, otherwise..5 minutes reading the news piece off the Fox news website doesn’t cut it.

    one more thing, Al Aqsa is an architectural and artistic marvel..yr opinion doesnt change that fact..or else photos of jerusalem wouldn’t have it in the background all the time..even israeli ones.

    ciao.

  • Just Me!

    Averros
    Right on..thank you!

  • Austin

    As HeiGou has pointed out, I think the reason the world isn’t outraged the way it was in the wake of the destruction of the Bamyan Buddhas is because there is not credible evidence of a threat to the structure. Palestinians, Arabs, and Muslims are general seem to be upset at the mere idea of Jews with bulldozers being within sight of Al Aqsa. After all, as the BBC has pointed out:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6347077.stm
    An independent observer, Father Jerome Murphy-O’Connor, from the French institute the Ecole Biblique in East Jerusalem, said that the work was “completely routine”.

    “This work is not inside the Haram. It is outside, leading to the Moors’ Gate. The earth ramp fell down and has to be replaced,” Father Murphy-O’Connor, author of an Oxford University guide “The Holy Land”, told me.

    “I do not know why the Palestinians have chosen to make an issue out of this. It is a recognised Jewish area under the arrangements that prevail in the Old City.

    “One can contrast this to the extensive excavations just round the corner in a Muslim area where huge pilgrim hostels from the 8th Century were revealed, with no protest. There has also been no protest over digs at the City of David nearby.

    “There is absolutely no danger to the foundations of the al-Aqsa mosque since that is built on the huge Herodian blocks that are still there.”

    So why the fuss? I, for one, don’t understand. It seems like vapid reactionism.

    I think “the world” is running out of patience. “Oh look, Muslims are upset without reasonable cause…again.”

  • http://amjad-h2o.maktoobblog.com amjad027

    your point of view Roba is very good to make all humans not just Muslims take Responsibility of defending Alaqsa against Ignorant of Israelis terrorists .
    so thanx for this .

    even Im not religious but certainly I realize that the mosques created for religious purposes and the feelings of religious people must be respected also their places of worship most be protected and respected even with bloods … religion can provide people with moral force to protect this Heritage than cultural concern could…

  • HeiGou

    Averroes:”Jerusalem..is part of the occupied territories, whether you like it or not..whether the intentions where to repair a road or build a highway to heaven for the awaitied Massiah to slide down on is not important..its illegal, simply because the international community..the UN resolutions..by which israel was established in the first place state that all the territories occupied in 1967 are occupied..any change in the demographic reality..which has been happening for the past 40 years contrary to your rosey claim of israeli respect of law..is illegal.”

    Half of Jerusalem is part of the Occupied Territories. Not all of it. The intentions are entirely the point for all the sane people on the planet. If there is to be peace there must be justice and that can only be based on truth. If the Muslims se fit to go on lying and lying and lying and lying, there can be no peace. Ever. The first step to reconciliation is to stop the lies. For which an honest admission of the Israeli intentions – clearly with the Wafq by the way – is important.

    The UN Resolution you are thinking of is 242, not the one by which Israel was created. Nor do they specifically and clearly state that all territory occupied by Israel is “occupied” in that sense. It may be true that what Israel is doing is illegal, but everything everyone does in the Middle East is illegal. Why should the rules only bind Israel and the West?

    None of which changes the fact that Israel has shown no signs whatsoever of trying to destroy the Mosque yet. If they wanted to, they would have. Minorities in Israel, even in the OT, are treated better than minorities anywhere else in the Middle East precisely because Israel observes legal norms. By and large.

    Averroes:”I have no problem with israelis as people..they’re people..they have lives, as we do, but I do have a problem with the way some people like your respected self taking charge to defend something we all know is wrong to begin with”

    I fail to see where I have defended Israel’s occupation of the West Bank up to this point. I assume you are simply trying to change the subject because you have been caught out peddling a vicious libel, a smear and a lie. The rights and wrongs of Israel’s presence in the OT has nothing to do with their routine work on the ramp.

    Averroes:”its not the business of israel to be in Jerusalem in the first place”

    Half of Jerusalem and Israeli before 1967.

    Averroes:”so claiming to fix roads is irrelevent”

    No it is not. Their intention – and the intentions of those who lie about what they are doing – is central to this issue. The Arab media are simply lying. Deliberately.

    Averroes:”by the way..israel demolished an 800 year old neighbourhood right after the 1967 war to make way for the square opposite the wailing wall..that caused the displacement of 60 thousand people in one week”

    So more lies? 60,000 people? I have seen the square outside the Wailing Wall. No rational person could claim it could fit 60,000 people. They displaced some minor number of Jerusalemites in order that Jews could worship at their sacred site which the Muslims had stolen. An injustice, perhaps but I doubt it, but not a big one in the scale of things. Notice that Jordan did not allow any Jews anywhere near the Temple Mount when they were in charge and systematically destroyed all Jewish sites in the Eastern part of the city. No condemnation of that from you is there?

    Averroes:”so before posing as an expert on middle east affairs..get a phd..send me a copy of yr degree and come to challenge me, otherwise..5 minutes reading the news piece off the Fox news website doesn’t cut it.”

    By their fruit ye shall know them. I have shown that my knowledge is greater than yours and I am happy to go on doing so. Childish behaviour will get you no where.

    Averroes:”one more thing, Al Aqsa is an architectural and artistic marvel..yr opinion doesnt change that fact..or else photos of jerusalem wouldn’t have it in the background all the time..even israeli ones.”

    It is distinctive, but that does not make it a marvel. It is interesting. It is useful for historians. But it is hardly so great the Jews would want to destroy it as you claimed.

    amjad027:”your point of view Roba is very good to make all humans not just Muslims take Responsibility of defending Alaqsa against Ignorant of Israelis terrorists . so thanx for this . even Im not religious but certainly I realize that the mosques created for religious purposes and the feelings of religious people must be respected also their places of worship most be protected and respected even with bloods … religion can provide people with moral force to protect this Heritage than cultural concern could…”

    You see how the lies are working? The Palestinians have hit pay dirt with this one. Of all their many many lies, this one seems to be working well. Normally secular and sensible Muslims are joining the lynch mob and baying for Jewish blood.

    There can be no peace based on lies. Time to remove all Muslims from the West and all Christians and Jews from the Middle East. Build a big wall between us and leave you all to it.

  • http://confessionsofavegetarianshark.blogspot.com/ averroes

    Heigou…good girl, so you quoted me..and answered each quote..very nice..but yu know what..all the arguments in the world..all the historical accurate or there lack of..all the books..the conferences..the so thought divine promises..all the nonsense..will never change the fact that Jerusalem was, is and always will be an Arab city…empires came and went, armies came and went..crusades came and went..and Jerusalem stayed an Arab city..it will never be something else.

    I used to like to argue with your likes but I got bored, so to sum it all up..here’s a little something you might like to see..this is what we’re fighting!

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e1842edc4f

    enjoy.

  • Mohannad Al majathoub

    Roba,
    I agree that the cultural importance, historical and architectural values are all endangered by Israeli actions and the world should stop them. It is human heritage for the coming generations. However, these are secondary issues compared with killing human. Shame that world do not care about the Palestinians live. They are suffering daily by protecting Jerusalem.
    Occupation is awful.
    Nobody is allowed to visit Jerusalem without ISRAELI permission & presence !
    So., is it fair.
    The world should seek a freedom for Jerusalem.

    HeiGou points will not change the sad history, we all know it by heart but believe me no one on earth can destroy Al Aqsa.

  • HeiGou

    averroes”Heigou…good girl, so you quoted me..and answered each quote..very nice..but yu know what..all the arguments in the world..all the historical accurate or there lack of..all the books..the conferences..the so thought divine promises..all the nonsense..will never change the fact that Jerusalem was, is and always will be an Arab city…empires came and went, armies came and went..crusades came and went..and Jerusalem stayed an Arab city..it will never be something else.”

    I am amazed you think that being called a girl is an insult. By all means, call me a girl as much as you like (I look like Nancy Ajram by the way)

    Again you change the subject. Who cares if Jerusalem was and always will be an Arab city? What relevance does it have?

    Of course it has not always been an Arab city. For the first half of its existence there were no Arabs there at all. It was a Canaanite and then a Jewish city. It may well be again. I think the only way to preserve Jerusalem for all three main monotheistic religions is to make it a Jewish city and expel the Muslims. We will see. The fact that you rely on this propaganda to cover up your previous reliance on propaganda and your utter disregard for the truth proves it.

  • HeiGou

    Mohannad Al majathoub:”I agree that the cultural importance, historical and architectural values are all endangered by Israeli actions and the world should stop them.”

    There is still no evidence whatsoever that anything in endangered by Israeli actions. Nor does the world need to lift a finger to stop them as they have been, by and large, responsible custodians of the Temple Mount.

    Mohannad Al majathoub:”Shame that world do not care about the Palestinians live. They are suffering daily by protecting Jerusalem. Occupation is awful.
    Nobody is allowed to visit Jerusalem without ISRAELI permission & presence !
    So., is it fair. The world should seek a freedom for Jerusalem.”

    Actually the world cares too much about the Palestinians. They bring disaster on their own heads and want the rest of us to save them? They have made bad choice after bad choice and brought disaster down on themselves. Let them sort their own mess out. They are suffering daily because of their irrational desire to murder Jews. In 1968 they were not suffering like this. Nor in 1978. But by 1988 they were. They chose violence. They chose to kill Jews. The IDF has responded. Occupation is only awful because the Palestinians make it so – there were no roadblocks in 1978. They have brought it on themselves and they ought to seek another road to their goals. I think it is entirely fair that Israel controls who does or does not come to Jerusalem. After all, when the Arabs controlled half the city, they did not let Jews or Christians, Israeli or Western, enter their half of Jerusalem. Israel has been a better guardian for Muslims than Jordan was for Jews. And someone has to do it. Israel is the best state for the job.

    Mohannad Al majathoub:”HeiGou points will not change the sad history, we all know it by heart but believe me no one on earth can destroy Al Aqsa.”

    Then why are you all so worked up? If Jerusalem is and always will be an Arab city and no force on Earth can destroy the Mosque, why do you all give a damn?

  • http://confessionsofavegetarianshark.blogspot.com/ averroes

    Heigou..I never said calling you a girl was an insult..I for one love girls! speaking of which..you look like Nancy Ajram eh? well…I don’t like her..she looks weird..and now I know you do too!

    Thanx!!

    p.s: I’ll be waiting for your expulsion notice..email it to me…don’t send me an autographed photo though.

  • http://londonmink.blogspot.com Mink

    I am coming late to this discussion, four points:
    1. There were two separate attempts by Jewish fundamentalists to blow the al-Aqsa and the Dome up, both in 1984. One foiled by the Israeli intelligence, the other by the Muslim guards.

    2. HeiGou I don’t think it would be so difficult to find two dozen rabbis supporting the construction of the Temple instead of the Dome. Just go to Esh ha-Torah, Ateret Kohanim and the Temple Institute in the Old City. Yes these are still marginal groups, but they have a lot of money.

    3. No disrespect to these ancient and beautiful monuments, I always find it frustrating that these stories make it to the headlines, while the ‘boring’, ongoing stories such as the incarceration of 1.3 million people in Gaza for the last 9 months are forgotten. Sorry but I blame the media

    4. Dense but highly reconmmended, Daniel Monk’s An Aesthetic Occupation (Duke 2002) on politics/architecture in the context of the Haram/Temple Mount.

  • http://leaflesseve.blogspot.com/ Leafless Eve

    I feel the same way… Religion doesn’t concern me, but History & Art does…
    This matter SHOULD concern everyone… but i think it’s gotten so “politicized” that no one seems to care.

  • http://himalayacrafts.com Buddha

    I feel te same way like you but I really would like to ask you, Are you a Muslim?