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OMG THIS BULLSHIT IS NEVER GOING TO STOP

http://www.jordantimes.com/fri/homenews/homenews3.htm

you dont know that for sure.
There is a chance that they only want the nukes to protect themselves incase of anything happening. If Iraq had nukes, America would never have attacked it.

It’s a consequence of Bush’s stupid policy “You’re either with us or against us”, well dhaaa we’re not with you a-hole
lool,
yea absoluetly right,,i hate this policy of the either with or against all the way, so you have either to be afollower or an enemy , i onwder how dare he say such bullshit in media, it sounded for me like agod talking or something,,classifying nations,,and judging the, how racist!

Who was resposible for the first pre-emptive strike on a Nuclear facility in the Middle East? US? Israel? ????? IRAN!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osirak#Iranian_and_Israeli_attacks

Nukes will give Iran a poker hand at the big table. They get much more press and have a much bigger negotiating position. It is a win / win for Iran because once you have nukes the sanctions stop and relations normalize. (Pakistan, India)

But, look who is in control of that country. Do you want that narrow base of power controlling Nukes?

As well, will it set off a Middle East arms race? Will a Sunni nation need Nukes to balance the Shi’a?

This is what bothers me. Bush doesn’t even need to enter into the equation. There are enough reasons to worry about Iranian Nukes without thinking about the West.

The problem with the doctrine of the enemy of my enemy is my friend, is that the enemy of your enemy may not follow the same policy.

I had a silly thought.
Iran dudes fingers on the nuke trigger decide one morning they want to take out Israel dude. So they pull the trigger. Israel dude decides to intercept with patriot missiles and retaliate at the same time with their own nukes. Lets see
Before the nukes get intercepted they pass over the oil fields in Iran, Iraq, kuwait, Saudi, Syria, Jordan and Palestine. Some of these countries are going to get a taste of Nuke explosions. The clean up will take 20 years before any life can start again. What a silly thought.
Well, Nahh!!! no one in his right mind will do that. Right? Any body there is in his right mind? I mean the way they taking each other down daily. I’ll go with Bush. Don’t let them have Nukes.

Electro, most Americans dont approve of what Bush is doing. They don’t like the fact of Iran having Nuclear Warheads but they know they don’t have the right to stop them from making them.
As someone menioned before, the only reason Iran wants the weapons is to have some more power in negotiations and to be weighed as Pakistan and India are.

Saj:”Before the nukes get intercepted they pass over the oil fields in Iran, Iraq, kuwait, Saudi, Syria, Jordan and Palestine. Some of these countries are going to get a taste of Nuke explosions. The clean up will take 20 years before any life can start again. What a silly thought.”

Well most oil is underground. It will not be bothered by nuclear explosions at all. The fall-out may be a problem but that depends on which way the wind is blowing and can be cleaned-up pretty quickly anyway. You know, apart from the people who live there, no one else is likely to be much upset by a nuclear exchange in the Middle East. Kuwaitis may suffer more cancers and their hair may fall out, but their oil will be safe.

Ayyob:”They don’t like the fact of Iran having Nuclear Warheads but they know they don’t have the right to stop them from making them.
As someone menioned before, the only reason Iran wants the weapons is to have some more power in negotiations and to be weighed as Pakistan and India are.”

First of all, Iran does not have any right to nuclear weapons at all. It is a signatory to the NPT which forbids Iran to even take the first step towards developing nuclear weapons. Iran is breaking this treaty. Pakistan is hardly important at all and the fact that they have nuclear weapons does not change this. They are a failed state. Everyone can and does ignore them except when they want something from them.

Hareega:”I don’t care if Iran has nuclear weapons if ISrael has them, I hope no country on earth would have them but if a country like Israel has nuclear weapons other countries also have the right to.
It’s funny how the news media in the US is trying to convince Americans that Najad is trying to bring the judgement day, the only person acting like judgement day is coming is Bush.”

Well no they do not have that right if they freely and voluntarily sign a treaty promising they will not acquire them. Which Iran has done. It has to abide by the Treaties it has signed. And Israel has not by the way. Bush is hardly acting like Judgement Day is coming. He has been amazingly restrained with what he has done. Just ask yourself, if Ahmedinajadi had the power and armed forces that Bush has, what would he have done with them? Well you’d be speaking Persian for a start I expect.

Hareega

“All this support comes becoes of their belief in the final days when Jesus comes hence their support for Israel and their support for candidates who support ISrael.”

Is that really what you believe? I mean there is evidence enough out there to support that theory. But there is a MOUNTAIN of evidence to say otherwise. The US supports Israel because it is the only country in the Middle East that has a working representative democracy. We also support Turkey…but that is not as controversial and is not quite as well functioning (see problems joining the EU).

This idea the the US is controlled by any religious doctrine is silly we have a codified secular government. The least religious party just won a majority in both houses. When they were not in “power” (a relative term in US politics) they still had around 45% of the seats. The Republicans are not all religious fanatics either. In fact most are not. Most try to distance themselves from characters like Pat Roberts and Jerry Falwell (The US brand of religious extremism.). Most in the US view this “Christian right” and there ilk as silly and pandering.

You might find it interesting to notethat Jews in the US vote Democrat, not Republican.

Do not take my statements here as blind support for Israel. I am Anti-occupation and anti-HAMAS. You can be both. I have vastly more criticism for the Israeli machine than I do for the Palestinian. (mostly because there is not yet a coherent machine to criticize.)

I just want you to understand the folly in your statement that US Israel policy has something to do with some “end of days” scenario. Quite frankly religion does not enjoy that much control over policy in the US.

Hareega:”America cares a lot about democracy and human rights INTERNALLY, when it comes to the INTERNATIONAL democracy is the last thing America cares about, I dont know where to start from in giving you examples, maybe start with the Chileans who had the first elected government (Alenede’s) in LAtin America and the US led a coup supported by a moronic bigot called Pinoche who stayed in power with full US support and was responsible for the disappearance of at least 10,000 of his people, was found guilty lately and charged with fifty million crimes,”

This is the problem with Arab political discourse – it is poorly informed and frankly mildly hysterical. In 1941 there was no democracy in the world outside the White English-speaking world (apart from Sweden and Switzerland). The British and French did not give it to their colonies. The Fascists and Communists did not care for it either. Only America believed in it. And America made the rest of the world adopt it. So your claim is absurd. Why did they bother? Chile had a continuous “democratic” government from the time of Napoleon to Pinochet. Allende was nowhere even close to Chile’s first democratically elected government, much less the whole of Latin America which has been intermittently “democratic”. The US did not lead that coup, but they allowed it once Allende went over to the Soviets and started importing East German and Cuban security “advisers”. Good for them. Pinochet is accused of killing *or* torturing only 3,000 people. That makes him one of the least bloody dictators in history. He has not been found guilty of any of those charges. Although of course he is.

Hareega:”I won’t go too far, see how the US supports Saudi Arabia although their government has SCORED THE WORST AMONG THE ENTIRE WORLD in human rights and democracy issues. Citizens in Syria have far more freedoms than in Saudi Arabia yet America stands against the Syrians.”

I doubt that Syrians do as it happens. Who scored Saudi Arabia the worst? The US supports whatever government is there. They did not pick the Saudis. They do not like the Saudis. But rather than overthrow them, they work with them. Big deal. What do you think they ought to do?

Hareega:”The US supported Taliban and Saddam Hussein at the time they were brutal regimes yet stood against them later although the regime was still the same undemocratic regime…. so it’s not about democracy.”

The US never ever supported the Taleban. They never like Saddam much either although they mildly preferred him to Iran. They turned on him when he invaded Kuwait.

Hareega:”Don’t tell me religion does not control policy in America, without fanantic religious people George Bush would have never dreamt of being in the White House let alone be re-elected.”

And yet America’s “fanatics” do not behead people on the internet. Nor do they blow themselves up in market places. Even if it were true, and it is not, America does not have a problem with fanatics.

Hareega:”ALL minorities voted against him (African Americans, Latinos, Jews, homosexuals) yet he managed to win the elections because he said Jesus was his idol character in the primaries in 2000.”

That is not true. Bush was noted for his attempts to get Blacks and Hispanics to vote for him. Jews did in reasonable numbers as well.

Hareega:”I’m Chrisitian myself and a believer but it sucks big time to see a war criminal saying he’s inspired by Jesus and the bible and acts like an angel inside America while he’s acting like a moron outside it.”

Bush is not a war criminal and calling him one doesn’t make him one.

Hareega:”No US politician can criticize ISrael and succeed in any kind of major election which should make you think why is criticizing a foreign country like ISrael so unacceptable in US politics while criticizing other foreign countires is never a problem, given that those foreign countries are at least as democratic as ISrael is?”

A good question but considering that Jews are only about 5 percent of the American population it is not their electoral clout.

What gives? Hareega are you a conforming contrarian? I am trying to figure out if you stand for anything. Maybe you do stand for something and its called opposing everything. I guess that is a safe position to be in. Oppose everything, never take sides, and stand up for nothing. Must be very lonely and painful riding the fence.

america seems to be going out of its way an awfull amount simply for a pressure group.
Esecially as this was the reason eauropeans gave for dong what they did, to keep jews out of their politics. Will americans alow this to continue or will they dicide to say enough.