Comments on: Closure http://www.andfaraway.net/blog/2006/05/06/closure/ Another Casualty to the Seduction Of Art Wed, 08 Feb 2012 01:50:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: halalhippiehttp://www.andfaraway.net/blog/2006/05/06/closure/comment-page-1/#comment-1888 halalhippie Tue, 09 May 2006 23:19:00 +0000 http://andfaraway.net/blog/2006/05/06/closure/#comment-1888 SuperDevoika: "if Danish cherish their flag and conform to their national identity they should respect and accept Muslims who cherish their Prophet and conform to their religious identity!"Where - in Roba's posting - do you see _any_ disrespect from the Danish participants in the meeting ?Or do you mean more generally ? the flag is a collective symbol - it is "ours", whereas religion is a personal matter - it is "mine"....That said, I'm happy to discuss faith and stuff here on ME blogs...you just don't do that in DK - it's kinda like ....indecent....weird, innit ? SuperDevoika: “if Danish cherish their flag and conform to their national identity they should respect and accept Muslims who cherish their Prophet and conform to their religious identity!”

Where – in Roba’s posting – do you see _any_ disrespect from the Danish participants in the meeting ?

Or do you mean more generally ? the flag is a collective symbol – it is “ours”, whereas religion is a personal matter – it is “mine”….

That said, I’m happy to discuss faith and stuff here on ME blogs…you just don’t do that in DK – it’s kinda like ….indecent….weird, innit ?

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.andfaraway.net/blog/2006/05/06/closure/comment-page-1/#comment-1887 Anonymous Sun, 07 May 2006 23:06:00 +0000 http://andfaraway.net/blog/2006/05/06/closure/#comment-1887 Hi 21stcenturyshea.What about this Festival in Denmark? http://www.images.org/images/iome.nsf/doc/start?OpenDocument&lang=ukdanish person Hi 21stcenturyshea.

What about this Festival in Denmark?
http://www.images.org/images/iome.nsf/doc/start?OpenDocument&lang=uk

danish person

]]> By: super.devoikahttp://www.andfaraway.net/blog/2006/05/06/closure/comment-page-1/#comment-1886 super.devoika Sun, 07 May 2006 12:04:00 +0000 http://andfaraway.net/blog/2006/05/06/closure/#comment-1886 Roba, welcome back... you've been missed! it seems that the workshop went positively... and I always think that... those who try and do are far better than those who don't... I agree with most of what you said... but... there is something that should be understood... if Danish cherish their flag and conform to their national identity they should respect and accept Muslims who cherish their Prophet and conform to their religious identity! what has been done as a reaction from Arabs and Muslims was surely wrong... for no matter how we argue we can't deny the fact that most of the Arab and Muslims are ignorant and not well educated... it aches me to say it... but the masses are like that... and usually those who are portrayed in the Media… lucky enough that the intellectuals have their own arena that they can brighten up the image of Arabs and Muslims.... Roba, welcome back… you’ve been missed!
it seems that the workshop went positively… and I always think that… those who try and do are far better than those who don’t…
I agree with most of what you said… but… there is something that should be understood… if Danish cherish their flag and conform to their national identity they should respect and accept Muslims who cherish their Prophet and conform to their religious identity!
what has been done as a reaction from Arabs and Muslims was surely wrong… for no matter how we argue we can’t deny the fact that most of the Arab and Muslims are ignorant and not well educated… it aches me to say it… but the masses are like that… and usually those who are portrayed in the Media…
lucky enough that the intellectuals have their own arena that they can brighten up the image of Arabs and Muslims….

]]> By: 21stCenturySheahttp://www.andfaraway.net/blog/2006/05/06/closure/comment-page-1/#comment-1885 21stCenturyShea Sat, 06 May 2006 23:57:00 +0000 http://andfaraway.net/blog/2006/05/06/closure/#comment-1885 Roba,You brought up an important point about the role the mainstream media plays in fueling misunderstanding.I rememember how late in the day on September 11, 2001, American networks showed footage of Palestinans dancing in the street at the news of the twin towers falling. I was at work. My boss was standing next to me as we watched the television. She said something to the effect that this isn't what the networks need to be showing. Even then we recognized how images of isolated groups could be taken out of context and be perceived as representative of a whole region.This underscores the importance of blogging. It allows a multitude of voices to contribute to the narrative of "what happens"--voices that are not on anyone's payroll & have no commercial pressure to show decontextualized images. Roba,

You brought up an important point about the role the mainstream media plays in fueling misunderstanding.

I rememember how late in the day on September 11, 2001, American networks showed footage of Palestinans dancing in the street at the news of the twin towers falling. I was at work. My boss was standing next to me as we watched the television. She said something to the effect that this isn’t what the networks need to be showing. Even then we recognized how images of isolated groups could be taken out of context and be perceived as representative of a whole region.

This underscores the importance of blogging. It allows a multitude of voices to contribute to the narrative of “what happens”–voices that are not on anyone’s payroll & have no commercial pressure to show decontextualized images.

]]> By: moihttp://www.andfaraway.net/blog/2006/05/06/closure/comment-page-1/#comment-1884 moi Sat, 06 May 2006 22:02:00 +0000 http://andfaraway.net/blog/2006/05/06/closure/#comment-1884 Roba, thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. Sounds very intersting. However, I'm wondering why the Arab group was not so diverse? There weren't any participants from the Gulf countries, which in my view was a region deeply affected by this and where the boycott began (I think). I'm not sure if this was done on purpose or they weren't included for logistical reasons, but I think it's very important to emphasize that even within the Arab world there is a diversity of opinions. I don't like it when we lump the Arab world together, because in reality, we're not united and we're not a homogenous group. It seems to me that the organizers might've been a little short-sighted on that issue.Otherwise, I can tell that the workshop had a positive affect on you and I hope that we have more such events springing up across the Arab/Muslim world before incidents such as the Cartoon Controversy even occur. Roba, thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. Sounds very intersting. However, I’m wondering why the Arab group was not so diverse? There weren’t any participants from the Gulf countries, which in my view was a region deeply affected by this and where the boycott began (I think). I’m not sure if this was done on purpose or they weren’t included for logistical reasons, but I think it’s very important to emphasize that even within the Arab world there is a diversity of opinions. I don’t like it when we lump the Arab world together, because in reality, we’re not united and we’re not a homogenous group. It seems to me that the organizers might’ve been a little short-sighted on that issue.

Otherwise, I can tell that the workshop had a positive affect on you and I hope that we have more such events springing up across the Arab/Muslim world before incidents such as the Cartoon Controversy even occur.

]]> By: Robahttp://www.andfaraway.net/blog/2006/05/06/closure/comment-page-1/#comment-1883 Roba Sat, 06 May 2006 18:28:00 +0000 http://andfaraway.net/blog/2006/05/06/closure/#comment-1883 Marianne, lol, I think that satirical cartoons are meant to be provocative in every single place in the world.Fadi, we didn't really have enough time to argue out 14 different opinions in each group :)Shy, it will get coverage. I think. Marianne, lol, I think that satirical cartoons are meant to be provocative in every single place in the world.

Fadi, we didn’t really have enough time to argue out 14 different opinions in each group :)

Shy, it will get coverage. I think.

]]> By: Mariannehttp://www.andfaraway.net/blog/2006/05/06/closure/comment-page-1/#comment-1882 Marianne Sat, 06 May 2006 18:18:00 +0000 http://andfaraway.net/blog/2006/05/06/closure/#comment-1882 Just a note:In the Danish satirical tradition - cartoons are ment to be provocative. Just a note:

In the Danish satirical tradition – cartoons are ment to be provocative.

]]> By: Fadihttp://www.andfaraway.net/blog/2006/05/06/closure/comment-page-1/#comment-1881 Fadi Sat, 06 May 2006 18:13:00 +0000 http://andfaraway.net/blog/2006/05/06/closure/#comment-1881 if u r not the best representation then who is?! ;)but..i didnt get why did u present a united front? i mean it's not a war it's just a workshop and i'm sure it wud've been more useful if everyone presented his own point of view individually..just a thoughtanyways..welcome home roba! c ya if u r not the best representation then who is?! ;)

but..i didnt get why did u present a united front? i mean it’s not a war it’s just a workshop and i’m sure it wud’ve been more useful if everyone presented his own point of view individually..just a thought

anyways..welcome home roba!
c ya

]]> By: Omarhttp://www.andfaraway.net/blog/2006/05/06/closure/comment-page-1/#comment-1880 Omar Sat, 06 May 2006 16:20:00 +0000 http://andfaraway.net/blog/2006/05/06/closure/#comment-1880 I like the "united front" conclusions. Good job! I like the “united front” conclusions. Good job!

]]> By: Shyhttp://www.andfaraway.net/blog/2006/05/06/closure/comment-page-1/#comment-1879 Shy Sat, 06 May 2006 15:27:00 +0000 http://andfaraway.net/blog/2006/05/06/closure/#comment-1879 Seems to me u did a good job summing up the workshop :) Did this workshop get much press coverage? It would have been a positive thing for a lot of people to hear about it Seems to me u did a good job summing up the workshop :) Did this workshop get much press coverage? It would have been a positive thing for a lot of people to hear about it

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